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Comments for THE ARTS IN NEW YORK CITY http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07 Seminar 1 with Professor Orenstein | HN C100 | W 3:10-5:40 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:26:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 Comment on Scores: the art of striptease by kitty http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-184 kitty Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:38:58 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-184 i don't know if it overcomes the fear of but i actually get your paradoxical comment on clothing which is supposed to be a form of modesty. and i think you're probably the only one in the class who could actually take something like this, and interpret it artistically. i don’t know if it overcomes the fear of but i actually get your paradoxical comment on clothing which is supposed to be a form of modesty. and i think you’re probably the only one in the class who could actually take something like this, and interpret it artistically.

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Comment on The art of kashmir by rbenari http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=321#comment-183 rbenari Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:32 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=321#comment-183 oh boy - this is gonna be a converation: I tend to disagree on your point about religious articles not being art. First, sacred religious articles should definitely be treated with respect, but I do not think that there was any disrespect meant in displaying religious articles in a museum. I think there can be an inherent element of art in something even when the intention wasn't to create a piece of art. if artistry and craftsmanship was used in its creation, then that artistry and craftsmanship is worth noting and celebrating. especially if creating these religious articles is what the craftsman dedicated his life to I am sure there is a certain amount of pride and connection he feels to the artistic nature of crafting the object, especially if he is dedicated to making religious things that are beautiful for a sacred purpose, surely that is an art form deserving of the most respect and admiration and should be on a pedestal in a museum. if there is something that is so important and significant in one's life then it should be done in the best way it can be done and the objects needed for it should be as beautiful and well made as they can be - and the way for that to happen is through art. oh boy - this is gonna be a converation:
I tend to disagree on your point about religious articles not being art. First, sacred religious articles should definitely be treated with respect, but I do not think that there was any disrespect meant in displaying religious articles in a museum. I think there can be an inherent element of art in something even when the intention wasn’t to create a piece of art. if artistry and craftsmanship was used in its creation, then that artistry and craftsmanship is worth noting and celebrating. especially if creating these religious articles is what the craftsman dedicated his life to I am sure there is a certain amount of pride and connection he feels to the artistic nature of crafting the object, especially if he is dedicated to making religious things that are beautiful for a sacred purpose, surely that is an art form deserving of the most respect and admiration and should be on a pedestal in a museum. if there is something that is so important and significant in one’s life then it should be done in the best way it can be done and the objects needed for it should be as beautiful and well made as they can be - and the way for that to happen is through art.

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Comment on Scores: the art of striptease by Jenny B http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-182 Jenny B Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:14:29 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-182 Honestly, when I saw this post, I couldn't believe that you wrote about it. I agree with the above comment on the reason you went to see that, and I feel it is a bit inappropriate...but, it is a new way to look at stripping, as a dance form that is. So, to your credit, thanks for looking at it critically. On the other side, it felt like an attempt to rationalize some intentions that may not have been so....innocent, I guess is the word. But, I guess Scores is a dance show for guys, and Chip and Dales is a dance show for ladies. To each his own. Honestly, when I saw this post, I couldn’t believe that you wrote about it. I agree with the above comment on the reason you went to see that, and I feel it is a bit inappropriate…but, it is a new way to look at stripping, as a dance form that is. So, to your credit, thanks for looking at it critically. On the other side, it felt like an attempt to rationalize some intentions that may not have been so….innocent, I guess is the word. But, I guess Scores is a dance show for guys, and Chip and Dales is a dance show for ladies. To each his own.

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Comment on Scores: the art of striptease by JGreenfield http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-181 JGreenfield Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:49:32 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=299#comment-181 I get what you are saying about the desensitizing factor of nudity, but it still is erotic because the reason you went was to see some titties, and don't you dare lie about that. As for the clothing being sexual, do you find Muslim women in full body burkas sexy? I mean, according to you they are like a Christmas present of sexuality - wrapped up nice and tight holding a surprise in store for you. please tell me this was your dance requirement piece. I get what you are saying about the desensitizing factor of nudity, but it still is erotic because the reason you went was to see some titties, and don’t you dare lie about that. As for the clothing being sexual, do you find Muslim women in full body burkas sexy? I mean, according to you they are like a Christmas present of sexuality - wrapped up nice and tight holding a surprise in store for you. please tell me this was your dance requirement piece.

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Comment on Kara Walker… by jcortez http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=300#comment-180 jcortez Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:08:35 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=300#comment-180 I like your honesty about the piece. It's very hard to see something you dislike or are uncomfortable with. I applaud you giving her work a second chance and finding SOMETHING to appreciate. You made a lot of insightful comments. I don't remember the works looking playful and fun at first but think back, I can see you what mean. I also agree there was way TOO much shock value. I think some of her work you might appreciate is some of her watercolors that were in the back; they were less graphic and a little more positive. One of them I think you'd appreciate is a drawing of a an elderly man hold a little girl, presumably his granddaughter, on his shoulders. She is looking through binoculars into the distance where there is a bright light. I really liked this painting because it shows we can attribute our present with our ancestors experience, we stand on their shoulders. It reminds me of the saying "If I can see a little further, it it because I am standing on the shoulders of giants." I like your honesty about the piece. It’s very hard to see something you dislike or are uncomfortable with. I applaud you giving her work a second chance and finding SOMETHING to appreciate. You made a lot of insightful comments. I don’t remember the works looking playful and fun at first but think back, I can see you what mean. I also agree there was way TOO much shock value. I think some of her work you might appreciate is some of her watercolors that were in the back; they were less graphic and a little more positive.
One of them I think you’d appreciate is a drawing of a an elderly man hold a little girl, presumably his granddaughter, on his shoulders. She is looking through binoculars into the distance where there is a bright light. I really liked this painting because it shows we can attribute our present with our ancestors experience, we stand on their shoulders. It reminds me of the saying “If I can see a little further, it it because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.”

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Comment on Kara Walker in Black and White by rbenari http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=276#comment-179 rbenari Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:46:32 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=276#comment-179 true... it did have a fairytale-like and surreal quality... true… it did have a fairytale-like and surreal quality…

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Comment on Some answers and questions by rbenari http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=165#comment-178 rbenari Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:44:54 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=165#comment-178 hey sorry i hadn't noticed you're shout out to me till now - I kinda figured the shoes were just one way to make him different I was just troubled with why specifically shoes... especially since shoes seem to constricting for someone who is so much free-er in thought and spirit than the rest of them... unless you want to say that he thought he was free from the rules of social etiquette etc but was really controlled by his own lack of self control - oh what a paradox! arabic newspaper - I guess it's still a mystery, but it gave you that idea that he's different in his way of thinking from everyone else and kind of put him in a negative light to start of with - crazy and fanatical hey sorry i hadn’t noticed you’re shout out to me till now - I kinda figured the shoes were just one way to make him different I was just troubled with why specifically shoes… especially since shoes seem to constricting for someone who is so much free-er in thought and spirit than the rest of them… unless you want to say that he thought he was free from the rules of social etiquette etc but was really controlled by his own lack of self control - oh what a paradox!
arabic newspaper - I guess it’s still a mystery, but it gave you that idea that he’s different in his way of thinking from everyone else and kind of put him in a negative light to start of with - crazy and fanatical

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Comment on Kara Walker:My entirely based on sex exhibit! by rbenari http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=286#comment-177 rbenari Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:37:39 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=286#comment-177 I agree on that point - I thought of lot of the sexual content was gratuitous and crude and way beyond making any sense for what her point was - some things went beyond expressing the torture and just seemed perverted - like that which you described I agree on that point - I thought of lot of the sexual content was gratuitous and crude and way beyond making any sense for what her point was - some things went beyond expressing the torture and just seemed perverted - like that which you described

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Comment on Kara Walker at the Whitney by szweig http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=273#comment-176 szweig Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:50:01 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=273#comment-176 I didn't receive the audio guide so I didn't hear the tidbit about the contradictions in her work. That is really insightful. The mood of the art definitely defies the seriousness of the subject matter. I have to disagree with you about the definitiveness of her purpose- the fact that whites were bad and blacks were good. I think a lot of her art showed blacks as both oppressed and oppressor. They seemed really foolish and self-mutilating. I didn’t receive the audio guide so I didn’t hear the tidbit about the contradictions in her work. That is really insightful. The mood of the art definitely defies the seriousness of the subject matter. I have to disagree with you about the definitiveness of her purpose- the fact that whites were bad and blacks were good. I think a lot of her art showed blacks as both oppressed and oppressor. They seemed really foolish and self-mutilating.

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Comment on Kara Walker in Black and White by szweig http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=276#comment-175 szweig Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:43:38 +0000 http://macaulay.cuny.edu/seminars/orenstein07/?p=276#comment-175 I would have to agree that it was childish, but then again doesn't the whole exhibit feel sorta childish and "cute"? I would have to agree that it was childish, but then again doesn’t the whole exhibit feel sorta childish and “cute”?

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